Call me a madman if you will. But I use these in/outs for home recording direct into my PC. I find it a useful way of getting a fat sound without being murdered by my co-habitees.
I tend to use the 3volt out for this though it does mean that the volume is controlled only by the gain nob as the master volume doesn't seem to engage in this mode. Does anyone have a suggestion for a better way of doing this?
You could substitute a device like a Groove Tubes speaker emulator for your speaker. This allows you to properly load the output transformer so it thinks it is connected to a speaker and outputs your main output signal (Master Volume and Output tubes included) as a line-level signal signal suitable for recording or sending to a headphone amp or external power amp.
|Bill Traylor (bozzy369)|
i'm sorry,but i have to put my 2 cents in on this.i have never beleaved that tube amps are great for direct recording.now don't get me wrong,tube amps do sound great for recording,but with a room and a mic.the speakers are also what give these amps thier magic,the way the woof ,whine,sparkle,or howl.so is the direct recording artist doomed ,no way.forget the dummy loads and direct plugging into these wonderful tube amps you will get noise,and a tone you never thought that amp had ,usally boring or nasty.instead buy or even make a isolation cab,i heard a great recording a guy got with a small speaker in a carboard box with a hole in it just big enough to shove the mic in .now this would not be my first choice but it is a very cost efficent one.if you got the cash,randall makes a great isolation cab .one thing i've always wanted to try and help the enviroment is converting those old refrigerators into isolation cabs,maybe?ok,the only other idea for the direct recording guy is amp modelers though i have never seen a musicman modeled yet,now thats a shame.or use a solid state amp,i should get hate mail over that last one ,lol,let me know what you think guys
|Mike Kaus (mm210)|
Well, I KIND of have to agree. Microphone driven signals are the only way to go. I HAVE seen POD driven signals that sound pretty good on tape(OOPS-disc) that sound pretty darned good but honestly, when I'm playing something to record, I need the SOUND hitting me to give me a spark. It doen't have to be loud but it kind of does inspire. Especially since I'm one of those guys who never knows what I'm going to solo with until AFTER I've done it! Isolation boxes are good but have no room dynamics. A sound proof room is better but of course, unless you have a dedicated studio, THAT'S not going to happen. It's always a compromise between sound an practicallity. My MM is what I record with right now because it's small, and clean. I use effects for the dirt and stuff. Recording REALLY distorted guitar is what's tough when you want a real good sound. THAT'S when you need volume.
|Bill Traylor (bozzy369)|
well mike,ty for not just writing to bash me over using a solid state head,lol.what you say is totally correct!the only thing i was addressing is this guy wants great recordings without lots of neighbor disturbing volume.now i tried to think of cheap ways,eccological ways(i say a fridge or old deep freeze would provide enough room space,lol,add a little reverb ya'know.now those last 2 are kool in a house or garage but he might be in a apartment,so theres where it can get tricky cause you can get evicted for being too loud .the pod idea sounds great,don't hold me to this one ,but a another friend got a great recording sound on a track and i asked what he used and he said he plugged directly into a eltro-harmonix big muff deluxe,you know the retro ones that are huge and ac.i would think that would sound like crap,but it didn't.also i have one of those dod rp 50s and i only have it cause i found it dirt cheap,but i tried it and it suprised me ,not bad ,really not bad if you are wanting great hard rock ,metal recordings.i was gonna just try and make a few bucks on the thing but i think i might keep it now ,lol.also i might add if i was only doing recording using my computer i might experiment with some of the software amp modulators, just use your computer for your amp.i've never tied anyof this stuff but it looks kool.pretty soon guys will be using thier laptops for pedalboards.maybe?
|Mike Kaus (mm210)|
Not going to bash at all! Actually, I've done some pretty decent recordings getting dist guitar by running my pedal board directly into the mixer and out to the computer. The mixer DOES have variable input gains so I can taylor it a little there but I've found that the extreme amouns of distortion don't sound too good recorded directly but sound pretty good just a bit below insanity. Also, having an eq on the pedal board helps so that you can boost the low end so that it doesn't sound like a cheap transistor radio. Anothe trick that I tried was to record the output of my pedal board in to two channels of the board and use one with excess bass boost and the other with excess mids and upper mids. Seemed to help a lot. I use a couple of highly modded boss bd-2's for distortion along with the other junk that I have on my gigging board. Delay is the ONE thing that seemed to suck when recorded directly-not sure why but it did. Chorus works ok as long as you just use a hint of it. Anyway, my long winded point is tha I do a lot of my recording directly into the board WITHOUT and amp. In fact, that's what I'm doing right now, as the spousal unit is asleep and is NOT to be disturbed! I usually play the keys dirctly in also since they don't seem to care. Bass is always direct, even though I have a bass amp SITTING there that sounds great. It doesn't seem to care at all.
|Peter Maziar (mosfet)|
Guys, I hope you don't mind if I butt my head into this. I play through a Music Man HD150, a highly modified Fender Concert 2, and a modified Marshall AVT50, so I know what tone is. Nothing beats the tube distortion my modded Concert produces (hot), and nothing beats the cleans and browns my HD150 produces (using LEDs for clipping). For recording though, my inexpensive Marshall AVT50 direct out is aces. The pre tube triodes are wired in series and easily modded to higher gain. A mid control for the clean channel was elementary. The amp is designed with negative current feedback, which means that more feedback loosens up the amp, the opposite of voltage feedback circuits, so it behaves like a tube amp. You can record direct out with or without the speaker (mine has a 4 ohm Celestion G12M70) for added interaction. I love my Music Man, but this records very well at low or no volume. I bet another good bet would be one of the Radial Tonebone pedals. You can generally pick up a used one for around $160. The pedal has a 12ax7 tube, and is done very well. Wish I could find that schematic... Cheers guys!
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